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		<title>By: PB</title>
		<link>http://www.usit.com.au/2009/03/13/foundations/comment-page-1/#comment-281</link>
		<dc:creator>PB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 17:22:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A related link: Alan Cooper being interviewd on the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.infoq.com/interviews/Interaction-Design-Alan-Cooper;jsessionid=444207C9CF4244422BA8738702B2E28A#&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Similarities Between Interaction Designers and Agile Programmers&lt;/a&gt;. There is a video with a transcript (click the little plusses to read Alan&#039;s responses)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A related link: Alan Cooper being interviewd on the &lt;a href=&#8221;http://www.infoq.com/interviews/Interaction-Design-Alan-Cooper;jsessionid=444207C9CF4244422BA8738702B2E28A#&#8221; rel=&#8221;nofollow&#8221;&gt;Similarities Between Interaction Designers and Agile Programmers&lt;/a&gt;. There is a video with a transcript (click the little plusses to read Alan&#8217;s responses)</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Kennedy</title>
		<link>http://www.usit.com.au/2009/03/13/foundations/comment-page-1/#comment-266</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick Kennedy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 07:56:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right Pat, and I would like to work with such coders :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right Pat, and I would like to work with such coders :)</p>
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		<title>By: Maarten van Heiningen</title>
		<link>http://www.usit.com.au/2009/03/13/foundations/comment-page-1/#comment-265</link>
		<dc:creator>Maarten van Heiningen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 14:12:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If only a programmer would see what his excellent software is doing in the real world. I always invited the programmers to sit in on a usability test. 

This is the best way to cure the &quot;My program is always right&quot; syndrome. Seeing a real person suffering on the precious work is hard for them. But it will create a better sence for future software development. Less 50 stories high building to redesign when confronted with an extra 50 stories to build.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If only a programmer would see what his excellent software is doing in the real world. I always invited the programmers to sit in on a usability test. </p>
<p>This is the best way to cure the &#8220;My program is always right&#8221; syndrome. Seeing a real person suffering on the precious work is hard for them. But it will create a better sence for future software development. Less 50 stories high building to redesign when confronted with an extra 50 stories to build.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Lee</title>
		<link>http://www.usit.com.au/2009/03/13/foundations/comment-page-1/#comment-263</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 01:06:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course, we don&#039;t want an &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.an-architecture.com/simpsons.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;escalator to nowhere&lt;/a&gt;.

Coders who care about the quality of their work would be exercising thinking-in-action (if I may borrow from Dewey) and if you asked them to &quot;build a bridge&quot; then &quot;spanning something&quot; and &quot;can be crossed&quot; are implicit and you would get what you asked for.

Telling the same coders that they&#039;re creating an enterprise whatsit is an entirely different story. If nobody has a clear idea of what an enterprise whatsit &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt; then why be surprised when you get a half-working enterprise whosit instead?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, we don&#8217;t want an <a href="http://www.an-architecture.com/simpsons.jpg" rel="nofollow">escalator to nowhere</a>.</p>
<p>Coders who care about the quality of their work would be exercising thinking-in-action (if I may borrow from Dewey) and if you asked them to &#8220;build a bridge&#8221; then &#8220;spanning something&#8221; and &#8220;can be crossed&#8221; are implicit and you would get what you asked for.</p>
<p>Telling the same coders that they&#8217;re creating an enterprise whatsit is an entirely different story. If nobody has a clear idea of what an enterprise whatsit <em>is</em> then why be surprised when you get a half-working enterprise whosit instead?</p>
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		<title>By: Angus Fraser</title>
		<link>http://www.usit.com.au/2009/03/13/foundations/comment-page-1/#comment-262</link>
		<dc:creator>Angus Fraser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 00:53:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A related link: Alan Cooper being interviewd on the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.infoq.com/interviews/Interaction-Design-Alan-Cooper;jsessionid=444207C9CF4244422BA8738702B2E28A#&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Similarities Between Interaction Designers and Agile Programmers&lt;/a&gt;. There is a video with a transcript (click the little plusses to read Alan&#039;s responses)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A related link: Alan Cooper being interviewd on the <a href="http://www.infoq.com/interviews/Interaction-Design-Alan-Cooper;jsessionid=444207C9CF4244422BA8738702B2E28A#" rel="nofollow">Similarities Between Interaction Designers and Agile Programmers</a>. There is a video with a transcript (click the little plusses to read Alan&#8217;s responses)</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Kennedy</title>
		<link>http://www.usit.com.au/2009/03/13/foundations/comment-page-1/#comment-261</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick Kennedy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 00:20:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately, many programmers don&#039;t think that way at all; in their minds the code is an ends unto itself. This is great in terms of quality control and job satisfaction, because they are passionate about making their product (the code) the best it can be (the art of code yadda yadda).

Of course, the code is merely a means to an ends. As is the user interface, the graphic design, the copywriting etc. So ultimately it all comes back to satisfying a need, which might be a user need. But this doesn&#039;t need to be user-centred per se, as you could also argue that satisfying the user need is thus fulfilling a business goal. Either way there is a higher purpose.

This is why it&#039;s so important that an undertaking have clear, holistic vision at the top. It&#039;s ok for the bridge builders to place each brick perfectly, but someone needs to make sure the bridge spans the river and can be driven across (did I pass that line Patrick mentioned?).

Much of the time this is not the case. Take most big IT projects, they shouldn&#039;t be an &quot;IT project&quot; at all, just because it involves technology does not make it the responsibility of the IT dept. The project should be business-driven and driven by the business. Otherwise you get the techies spinning their wheels creating beautiful junk.

Sorry, this has strayed from the original conversation a little. So to pull it back on track: yes you should understand the &quot;gravity&quot; before you build but also why you&#039;re building the bridge in the first place! And appoint an overseer that is removed from the brick level construction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, many programmers don&#8217;t think that way at all; in their minds the code is an ends unto itself. This is great in terms of quality control and job satisfaction, because they are passionate about making their product (the code) the best it can be (the art of code yadda yadda).</p>
<p>Of course, the code is merely a means to an ends. As is the user interface, the graphic design, the copywriting etc. So ultimately it all comes back to satisfying a need, which might be a user need. But this doesn&#8217;t need to be user-centred per se, as you could also argue that satisfying the user need is thus fulfilling a business goal. Either way there is a higher purpose.</p>
<p>This is why it&#8217;s so important that an undertaking have clear, holistic vision at the top. It&#8217;s ok for the bridge builders to place each brick perfectly, but someone needs to make sure the bridge spans the river and can be driven across (did I pass that line Patrick mentioned?).</p>
<p>Much of the time this is not the case. Take most big IT projects, they shouldn&#8217;t be an &#8220;IT project&#8221; at all, just because it involves technology does not make it the responsibility of the IT dept. The project should be business-driven and driven by the business. Otherwise you get the techies spinning their wheels creating beautiful junk.</p>
<p>Sorry, this has strayed from the original conversation a little. So to pull it back on track: yes you should understand the &#8220;gravity&#8221; before you build but also why you&#8217;re building the bridge in the first place! And appoint an overseer that is removed from the brick level construction.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Lee</title>
		<link>http://www.usit.com.au/2009/03/13/foundations/comment-page-1/#comment-258</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 00:44:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a programmer I can change the code and I can pay off &lt;a href=&quot;http://martinfowler.com/bliki/TechnicalDebt.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;technical debt&lt;/a&gt;...

It seems like the hardest thing to change is the user. I don&#039;t think this indicates a need to do all the interaction design up front but I do think it means that understanding the user should probably be the place to start. Those of you with much more design experience than I have would probably have more to say on that.

User Centred Engineering?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a programmer I can change the code and I can pay off <a href="http://martinfowler.com/bliki/TechnicalDebt.html" rel="nofollow">technical debt</a>&#8230;</p>
<p>It seems like the hardest thing to change is the user. I don&#8217;t think this indicates a need to do all the interaction design up front but I do think it means that understanding the user should probably be the place to start. Those of you with much more design experience than I have would probably have more to say on that.</p>
<p>User Centred Engineering?</p>
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		<title>By: Angus Fraser</title>
		<link>http://www.usit.com.au/2009/03/13/foundations/comment-page-1/#comment-257</link>
		<dc:creator>Angus Fraser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 00:06:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Pat, I love your analogy that the user is the most &quot;physical part of the software&quot; - the gravity.

Thought you would find &lt;a href=&quot;http://unthinkingly.com/extreme-programming-vs-interaction-design/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this interview&lt;/a&gt; between Kent Beck (Extreme Programmer) &amp; Alan Cooper (UX designer) interesting. At one point the anlogy of software development to architecture comes up &amp; interestingly it&#039;s Cooper arguing for the upfront user research/design/&quot;architecture&quot; period to make sure that there isn&#039;t uneccassary rebuilding whereas the programmer wants to get started straight away because &quot;programming gives you information&quot;. It&#039;s a long interview the excerpt below is the relevent bit:

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Beck: OK, wait. I agreed with you very close to 100 percent, then you just stepped off the rails. I don’t see why this new specialist has to do his or her job before construction begins?

Cooper: It has to happen first because programming is so hellishly expensive and the cost of programming is like the cost of pulling teeth. I can go have my tooth pulled for about a hundred bucks. OK? But what’s the cost of having your tooth pulled? You don’t have a tooth there. OK? And that’s what’s going on in the world of software. There’s enormous cost in writing code, but the real cost in writing code is that code never dies. If you can think this stuff through before you start pouring the concrete of code, you get significantly better results. You get significantly more efficient programming and you don’t end up with pulled teeth.

Building software isn’t like slapping a shack together; it’s more like building a 50-story office building or a giant dam.

Beck: I think it’s nothing like those. If you build a skyscraper 50 stories high, you can’t decide at that point, oh, we need another 50 stories and go jack it all up and put in a bigger foundation.

Cooper: That’s precisely my point.

Beck: But in the software world, that’s daily business.

Cooper: That’s pissing money away and leaving scar tissue.

Beck: No. I’m going to be the programming fairy for you, Alan. I’m going to give you a process where programming doesn’t hurt like that—where, in fact, it gives you information; it can make your job better, and it doesn’t hurt like that. Now, is it still true that you need to do all of your work before you start?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Pat, I love your analogy that the user is the most &#8220;physical part of the software&#8221; &#8211; the gravity.</p>
<p>Thought you would find <a href="http://unthinkingly.com/extreme-programming-vs-interaction-design/" rel="nofollow">this interview</a> between Kent Beck (Extreme Programmer) &#038; Alan Cooper (UX designer) interesting. At one point the anlogy of software development to architecture comes up &#038; interestingly it&#8217;s Cooper arguing for the upfront user research/design/&#8221;architecture&#8221; period to make sure that there isn&#8217;t uneccassary rebuilding whereas the programmer wants to get started straight away because &#8220;programming gives you information&#8221;. It&#8217;s a long interview the excerpt below is the relevent bit:</p>
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Beck: OK, wait. I agreed with you very close to 100 percent, then you just stepped off the rails. I don’t see why this new specialist has to do his or her job before construction begins?</p>
<p>Cooper: It has to happen first because programming is so hellishly expensive and the cost of programming is like the cost of pulling teeth. I can go have my tooth pulled for about a hundred bucks. OK? But what’s the cost of having your tooth pulled? You don’t have a tooth there. OK? And that’s what’s going on in the world of software. There’s enormous cost in writing code, but the real cost in writing code is that code never dies. If you can think this stuff through before you start pouring the concrete of code, you get significantly better results. You get significantly more efficient programming and you don’t end up with pulled teeth.</p>
<p>Building software isn’t like slapping a shack together; it’s more like building a 50-story office building or a giant dam.</p>
<p>Beck: I think it’s nothing like those. If you build a skyscraper 50 stories high, you can’t decide at that point, oh, we need another 50 stories and go jack it all up and put in a bigger foundation.</p>
<p>Cooper: That’s precisely my point.</p>
<p>Beck: But in the software world, that’s daily business.</p>
<p>Cooper: That’s pissing money away and leaving scar tissue.</p>
<p>Beck: No. I’m going to be the programming fairy for you, Alan. I’m going to give you a process where programming doesn’t hurt like that—where, in fact, it gives you information; it can make your job better, and it doesn’t hurt like that. Now, is it still true that you need to do all of your work before you start?
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